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Abortion for gender selection
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Dänk 42Ø
2013-03-17 08:08:58 UTC
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The North Dakota legislature has passed a bill that would ban the use of
abortion for gender selection.

What makes this interesting is that this bill is opposed by female rights
advocates. The woman's right to choose whether to carry a fetus to term
conflicts with the backwards custom of husbands coercing women to abort
female fetuses in favor of male heirs. India in particular suffers from
this problem, with female-to-male ratios of eight or nine to ten in most
parts of the country.

In other words, there are 20% fewer women than men in India. Humans,
like other mammals, give birth to males and females in equal ratios.
Something is happening to female babies in India. The traditional
practice of infanticide has given way to gender-selective abortions.

Leftist feminists are in a difficult position here. They want to protect
womens' right to reproductive choice, but at the same time women are
being pressured to abort future generations of women. This position is
contradictory, and even doublethink can't help. A choice must be made
between protecting a womyn's right to abortion in all cases and
prohibiting abortion when it is used to select for certain physical
traits.

In this case, "progressive" leftism seems to be defending traditional
patriarchal values, putting itself in opposition to the socialist state
that seeks to restore the natural gender balance.

The issue here is not whether abortion is morally right or wrong, but
rather the ideological disconnect in American leftism.




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"His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know
and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling
carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which
canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of
them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying
claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party
was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to
forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was
needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the
same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety:
consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become
unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to
understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."

-- 1984
Moses
2013-03-17 19:08:15 UTC
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Post by Dänk 42Ø
The North Dakota legislature has passed a bill that would ban the use of
abortion for gender selection.
It won't stand up in Federal court because of Roe Vs Wade. If a woman
doesn't want a child for any reason she is allowed to abort it. Her body,
her choice.
Dänk 42Ø
2013-03-19 06:13:51 UTC
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Post by Moses
Post by Dänk 42Ø
The North Dakota legislature has passed a bill that would ban the use
of abortion for gender selection.
It won't stand up in Federal court because of Roe Vs Wade. If a woman
doesn't want a child for any reason she is allowed to abort it. Her
body, her choice.
Yes. My point was that defending the right to use abortion for gender
selection puts American liberals in conflict with liberals in other parts
of the world. In India, it is conservatives who use abortion for sex
selection, and liberals who fight to abolish the practice.

Though leftism generally condemns most aspects of Western culture -- e.g.
the evil patriarchy that oppresses womyn -- the fact is that our society
rejects the idea of using abortion to select for male children, it
defines females as equal. It is the non-Western cultures that leftists
praise that are really the patriarchal oppressors. A typical liberal
American couple would be appalled at the idea of aborting a pregnancy so
the husband can have the sons that he wants, but when this same idea
comes from a non-Western society the liberals will defend it in the name
of cultural diversity.
Jorge
2013-03-24 04:45:02 UTC
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Post by Moses
Post by Dänk 42Ø
The North Dakota legislature has passed a bill that would ban the use of
abortion for gender selection.
It won't stand up in Federal court because of Roe Vs Wade. If a woman
doesn't want a child for any reason she is allowed to abort it. Her body,
her choice.
and sometimes in the heat of emergency, A doctor must make a rapid
decision to abort to save a woman's life.
any delay to see a judge is a "Death Panel"
let me guess you don't want "Death Panels"
C.O.Y.O.T.E.
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Karma ; what a concept!
elizabeth
2013-03-24 21:57:47 UTC
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Post by Jorge
Post by Moses
Post by Dänk 42Ø
The North Dakota legislature has passed a bill that would ban the use of
abortion for gender selection.
It won't stand up in Federal court because of Roe Vs Wade. If a woman
doesn't want a child for any reason she is allowed to abort it. Her body,
her choice.
and sometimes in the heat of emergency, A doctor must make a rapid
decision to abort to save a woman's life.
any delay to see a judge is a "Death Panel"
let me guess you don't want "Death Panels"
C.O.Y.O.T.E.
--
Karma  ; what a concept!
We already have "death panels" they are called INSURANCE COMPANIES who
routinely deny coverage

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