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Politics and the English Language (1)
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Dänk 42Ø
2012-08-07 17:50:54 UTC
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In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the
indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the
Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan,
can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for
most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of
the political parties.

Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-
begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded
from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle
machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is
called 'pacification.' Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and
sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is
called 'transfer of population or rectification of frontiers.' People are
imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or
sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called 'elimination
of unreliable elements.'

Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up
mental pictures of them. Consider for instance some comfortable English
professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, 'I
believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by
doing so.' Probably, therefore, he will say something like this:

'While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain
features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we
must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right
to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of
transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian
people have been called upon to undergo have been amply
justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.'

The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words
falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up
all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When
there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as
it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a
cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as
'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics
itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia.
When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer.

-- George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language" (1946)

http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit
Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
2012-08-08 02:28:54 UTC
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in the end of the 20th century ,
and in the 21st century ,
English become s
an important POLITICAL language because of the American
YANKEES ,

not because of the ENGLISH nation .
Post by Dänk 42Ø
In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the
indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the
Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan,
can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for
most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of
the political parties.
Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-
begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded
from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle
machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is
called 'pacification.' Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and
sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is
called 'transfer of population or rectification of frontiers.' People are
imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or
sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called 'elimination
of unreliable elements.'
Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up
mental pictures of them. Consider for instance some comfortable English
professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, 'I
believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by
  'While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain
   features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we
   must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right
   to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of
   transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian
   people have been called upon to undergo have been amply
   justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.'
The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words
falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up
all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When
there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as
it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a
cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as
'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics
itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia.
When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer.
  -- George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language" (1946)
http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit
Dänk 42Ø
2012-08-08 18:21:00 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:28:54 -0700, Dai Li , the Himmler of China and
the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics (
Post by Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
in the end of the 20th century ,
and in the 21st century ,
English become s an important POLITICAL language because of the
American YANKEES ,
not because of the ENGLISH nation .
One reason English is so important is because unlike Mandarin, it allows
for free thought. The power of English is its ability to borrow words
for foreign ideas (e.g. "karma"), and to invent new words for new ideas
(e.g. "texting"), giving it the largest vocabulary of all world
languages. This also makes English difficult to learn, especially
spelling, which has few rules given the differing origins of our words.

In Mandarin's defense, the written form of the language is so formalized
that it is easily translatable by machine (Babelfish, Google Translate).
But this also means that nuanced ideas can't be expressed well, which
limits the range of thought. And words that can be read by machine can
also be censored by machine, as we see by the ease the Chinese government
monitors and censors Internet and text message communications.
rst0
2012-08-08 18:34:59 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:28:54 -0700, Dai Li  , the  Himmler   of  China and
 the  Head  of  the   Bureau  of  investigation  and  Statistics  (
in the  end  of  the  20th  century  ,
and in the  21st  century ,
English  become s an important   POLITICAL  language  because  of the
American YANKEES  ,
not  because  of the  ENGLISH  nation .
One reason English is so important is because unlike Mandarin,
it allows for free thought.
"Free Thought" is NOT language restrictive, but rather government
controlled.
The power of English is its ability to borrow words
for foreign ideas (e.g. "karma"), and to invent new words
for new ideas (e.g. "texting"),
All languages have these capability.
giving it the largest vocabulary of all world
languages.  This also makes English difficult to learn, especially
spelling, which has few rules given the differing origins of our words.
In Mandarin's defense, the written form of the language is
so formalized that it is easily translatable by machine
(Babelfish, Google Translate).
Have you read any of the translated articles within
soc.culture.china? The translation is not understandable.
But this also means that nuanced ideas can't be expressed
well, which limits the range of thought.  And words that
can be read by machine can also be censored by machine,
It works both ways. Some got censored when it shouldn't be, while
others not censored when it should be. Nothing is perfect.
as we see by the ease the Chinese government
monitors and censors Internet and text message communications.
I don't think you know much about it. It's all American speculations.
l***@hotmail.com
2012-08-09 01:46:31 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:28:54 -0700, Dai Li  , the  Himmler   of  China and
 the  Head  of  the   Bureau  of  investigation  and  Statistics  (
in the  end  of  the  20th  century  ,
and in the  21st  century ,
English  become s an important   POLITICAL  language  because  of the
American YANKEES  ,
not  because  of the  ENGLISH  nation .
One reason English is so important is because unlike Mandarin, it allows
for free thought.
All people can think freely with whatever kind of language.
The power of English is its ability to borrow words
for foreign ideas (e.g. "karma"), and to invent new words for new ideas
(e.g. "texting"), giving it the largest vocabulary of all world
languages.
Actually, a large vocabulary means only one thing. English speaking
people in the past don't have the tradition of expressing new ideas
with already existing ideas. One can always invent new words. But idea
with disseminate quicker with it is built on the foundation of
familiar concept. For instance, the western idea of the phoenix killed
itself in the fire and but rebirth is nicely captured by the the
Chinese expression of 4 words combining phoenix and nirvana.
This also makes English difficult to learn, especially
spelling, which has few rules given the differing origins of our words.
In Mandarin's defense, the written form of the language is so formalized
that it is easily translatable by machine (Babelfish, Google Translate).
Babelfish or Google Translates are very bad translations. Do not make
sense most of the time.
But this also means that nuanced ideas can't be expressed well, which
limits the range of thought.
Nonsense.
 And words that can be read by machine can
also be censored by machine, as we see by the ease the Chinese government
monitors and censors Internet and text message communications.
XOX
2012-08-09 02:34:09 UTC
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Actually, the person originally writing about the
Chinese/Mandarin language doesn't appear to know
anything about it.
Post by l***@hotmail.com
Post by Dänk 42Ø
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:28:54 -0700, Dai Li , the Himmler of China and
the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics (
Post by Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
in the end of the 20th century ,
and in the 21st century ,
English become s an important POLITICAL language because of the
American YANKEES ,
not because of the ENGLISH nation .
One reason English is so important is because unlike Mandarin, it allows
for free thought.
All people can think freely with whatever kind of language.
Post by Dänk 42Ø
The power of English is its ability to borrow words
for foreign ideas (e.g. "karma"), and to invent new words for new ideas
(e.g. "texting"), giving it the largest vocabulary of all world
languages.
Actually, a large vocabulary means only one thing. English speaking
people in the past don't have the tradition of expressing new ideas
with already existing ideas. One can always invent new words. But idea
with disseminate quicker with it is built on the foundation of
familiar concept. For instance, the western idea of the phoenix killed
itself in the fire and but rebirth is nicely captured by the the
Chinese expression of 4 words combining phoenix and nirvana.
Post by Dänk 42Ø
This also makes English difficult to learn, especially
spelling, which has few rules given the differing origins of our words.
In Mandarin's defense, the written form of the language is so formalized
that it is easily translatable by machine (Babelfish, Google Translate).
Babelfish or Google Translates are very bad translations. Do not make
sense most of the time.
Post by Dänk 42Ø
But this also means that nuanced ideas can't be expressed well, which
limits the range of thought.
Nonsense.
Post by Dänk 42Ø
And words that can be read by machine can
also be censored by machine, as we see by the ease the Chinese government
monitors and censors Internet and text message communications.
Hiroshi Oshima , Japanese Ambassador to the Third Reich AD 1940 Berlin
2012-08-09 03:54:03 UTC
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Chinese dare not express themselves , sexually , or
mentally .




Confucius killed the Chinese mind .,



Communist killed the Chinese mind



Only English and western nations dare to express
themselves , in WHITE SUPERIORITY , and
in the WHITE SOCIAL Community .


Manchu killed the Chinese liberty in FREEDOM of EXPRESSION ,


CONFUCIUS did not want the CHINESE people to have the
ability to think for themselves .


COMMUNIST PARTY of CHINA , CPC , does not want CHINESE
to have their thinking brains ,otherwise
Chinese people will not follow CPC 's orders .
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:28:54 -0700, Dai Li  , the  Himmler   of  China and
 the  Head  of  the   Bureau  of  investigation  and  Statistics  (
in the  end  of  the  20th  century  ,
and in the  21st  century ,
English  become s an important   POLITICAL  language  because  of the
American YANKEES  ,
not  because  of the  ENGLISH  nation .
One reason English is so important is because unlike Mandarin, it allows
for free thought.  The power of English is its ability to borrow words
for foreign ideas (e.g. "karma"), and to invent new words for new ideas
(e.g. "texting"), giving it the largest vocabulary of all world
languages.  This also makes English difficult to learn, especially
spelling, which has few rules given the differing origins of our words.
In Mandarin's defense, the written form of the language is so formalized
that it is easily translatable by machine (Babelfish, Google Translate).
But this also means that nuanced ideas can't be expressed well, which
limits the range of thought.  And words that can be read by machine can
also be censored by machine, as we see by the ease the Chinese government
monitors and censors Internet and text message communications.
XOX
2012-08-10 20:06:38 UTC
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It's not often one gets trolled from 1940.
Post by Hiroshi Oshima , Japanese Ambassador to the Third Reich AD 1940 Berlin
Chinese dare not express themselves , sexually , or
mentally .
Confucius killed the Chinese mind .,
Communist killed the Chinese mind
Only English and western nations dare to express
themselves , in WHITE SUPERIORITY , and
in the WHITE SOCIAL Community .
Manchu killed the Chinese liberty in FREEDOM of EXPRESSION ,
CONFUCIUS did not want the CHINESE people to have the
ability to think for themselves .
COMMUNIST PARTY of CHINA , CPC , does not want CHINESE
to have their thinking brains ,otherwise
Chinese people will not follow CPC 's orders .
Post by Dänk 42Ø
On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:28:54 -0700, Dai Li , the Himmler of China and
the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics (
Post by Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
in the end of the 20th century ,
and in the 21st century ,
English become s an important POLITICAL language because of the
American YANKEES ,
not because of the ENGLISH nation .
One reason English is so important is because unlike Mandarin, it allows
for free thought. The power of English is its ability to borrow words
for foreign ideas (e.g. "karma"), and to invent new words for new ideas
(e.g. "texting"), giving it the largest vocabulary of all world
languages. This also makes English difficult to learn, especially
spelling, which has few rules given the differing origins of our words.
In Mandarin's defense, the written form of the language is so formalized
that it is easily translatable by machine (Babelfish, Google Translate).
But this also means that nuanced ideas can't be expressed well, which
limits the range of thought. And words that can be read by machine can
also be censored by machine, as we see by the ease the Chinese government
monitors and censors Internet and text message communications.
b***@nyx.net
2012-08-08 05:15:19 UTC
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Post by Dänk 42Ø
In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the
indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the
Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan,
can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for
most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of
the political parties.
Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-
begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded
from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle
machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is
called 'pacification.' Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and
sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is
called 'transfer of population or rectification of frontiers.' People are
imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or
sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called 'elimination
of unreliable elements.'
Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up
mental pictures of them. Consider for instance some comfortable English
professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, 'I
believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by
  'While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain
   features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we
   must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right
   to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of
   transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian
   people have been called upon to undergo have been amply
   justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.'
The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words
falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up
all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When
there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as
it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a
cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as
'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics
itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia.
When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer.
  -- George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language" (1946)
http://orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit
This is very good. Who is this George Orwell? It's like he predicted
the whole "1984" thing decades back!
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